Hey Guys,
Here's a YouTube contemporary version of the woman at the well. Where is Jesus encountering you?
Tuesday, March 31, 2009
Monday, March 30, 2009
God vs. Science
This was sent to my facebook and got a kick out of it
" THINK AS YOU READ THIS"
God vs. Science
This is awesome and well worth the read!! Great thought processes!
Excellent explanation!
The science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, 'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.
So you believe in God?'
'Absolutely.'
'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes.'
'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'
The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.
'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
'Yes sir, I would.'
'So you're good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.'
But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'
The student remains silent.
'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er...yes,' the student says.
'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God'
'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'
Yes, sir.'
Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
'Yes.'
'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes'
'So who created them?'
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'
The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not.'
'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'
'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes.'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'
'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'
Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'
'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'
And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can reach up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees..'
'Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold; Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'
'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.'
'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'
'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'
'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'
'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'
'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'
'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'
'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that t his process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'
he class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.'
The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.
'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain; with all due respect, sir.'
'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'
Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down.
Charles
" THINK AS YOU READ THIS"
God vs. Science
This is awesome and well worth the read!! Great thought processes!
Excellent explanation!
The science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, 'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.
So you believe in God?'
'Absolutely.'
'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes.'
'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'
The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.
'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
'Yes sir, I would.'
'So you're good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.'
But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'
The student remains silent.
'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er...yes,' the student says.
'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God'
'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'
Yes, sir.'
Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
'Yes.'
'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes'
'So who created them?'
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'
The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not.'
'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'
'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes.'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'
'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'
Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'
'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'
And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can reach up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees..'
'Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold; Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'
'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.'
'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'
'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'
'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'
'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'
'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'
'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'
'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that t his process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'
he class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.'
The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.
'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain; with all due respect, sir.'
'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'
Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down.
Charles
Friday, March 27, 2009
The Doctrine of Perfectionism
Men,
Lazo nailed this topic at Adorn. You can also check out his sermon notes if you don't want to listen to the whole teaching but it's worthwhile.
The Doctrine of Perfectionsm
Even so, don't just take his word for it and be a Berean and study the word for yourself. Use your reason and ask God to give you wisdom.
Don't give up and don't give in. Love you guys.
tarik
Lazo nailed this topic at Adorn. You can also check out his sermon notes if you don't want to listen to the whole teaching but it's worthwhile.
The Doctrine of Perfectionsm
Even so, don't just take his word for it and be a Berean and study the word for yourself. Use your reason and ask God to give you wisdom.
Don't give up and don't give in. Love you guys.
tarik
Does Satan Exist?
Gents,
This is a debate that was held at the church Brittney and I attend. Our pastor was one of the debators. It was between him, Depak Chopra (the leading New Age guru), a former pastor who now says that Satan and hell don't exist. There's also a former prositute turned christian who now leads a ministry to save prostitutes from off the streets.
Gnarly debate, and really heart-wrenching to watch. It's more sad than anything to see so many people buying into the ideas of Depak Chopra and self-realization. They don't know anything of Jesus, and so, they have no hope in this life or the next. You can check out the whole debate at abcnews.com. There's a video link in the top right hand corner of the page titled "Nightline Face-Off".
If you just want to see the abreviated version, check out www.marshillchurch.org. It's on the main page.
We all have some work to do for the Kingdom. It's not about us. It's about God's glory and going into the places and relationships nobody wants to, but that he calls us to. Jesus' light shines brightest in the darkest places. I love you boys. Looking forward to seeing you.
Kyle
This is a debate that was held at the church Brittney and I attend. Our pastor was one of the debators. It was between him, Depak Chopra (the leading New Age guru), a former pastor who now says that Satan and hell don't exist. There's also a former prositute turned christian who now leads a ministry to save prostitutes from off the streets.
Gnarly debate, and really heart-wrenching to watch. It's more sad than anything to see so many people buying into the ideas of Depak Chopra and self-realization. They don't know anything of Jesus, and so, they have no hope in this life or the next. You can check out the whole debate at abcnews.com. There's a video link in the top right hand corner of the page titled "Nightline Face-Off".
If you just want to see the abreviated version, check out www.marshillchurch.org. It's on the main page.
We all have some work to do for the Kingdom. It's not about us. It's about God's glory and going into the places and relationships nobody wants to, but that he calls us to. Jesus' light shines brightest in the darkest places. I love you boys. Looking forward to seeing you.
Kyle
Tuesday, March 17, 2009
Listen Up!
Men,
Last night was such a great time with the Lord. Thank you Phil for bringing it all nitty gritty tellin us we have to be humble. Bam!! just like that.
Guys a few things that were brought up we need to remember:
Philippians 2:
3Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; 4do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Lets all act on the things we learned and apply it to our lives. Next week we will spend some time to share any nuggets we learned this week about humility. As men we are going to battle this so lets take up our cross and follow Jesus. Remember we arent getting together as a bunch of messed up fools so that we can just talk but "the one who says he abides in JESUS ought himself to walk in the same manner as JESUS walked."
God Bless,
-N
Last night was such a great time with the Lord. Thank you Phil for bringing it all nitty gritty tellin us we have to be humble. Bam!! just like that.
Guys a few things that were brought up we need to remember:
Philippians 2:
3Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; 4do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Lets all act on the things we learned and apply it to our lives. Next week we will spend some time to share any nuggets we learned this week about humility. As men we are going to battle this so lets take up our cross and follow Jesus. Remember we arent getting together as a bunch of messed up fools so that we can just talk but "the one who says he abides in JESUS ought himself to walk in the same manner as JESUS walked."
God Bless,
-N
Wednesday, March 11, 2009
Found this amazing website
You guys have to check it out. You can buy Christian Books and resources. It has a section of book on US christian history as well.
I just found it so i havnt been able to look through everything. but the articles section seems pretty awesome with some relevant discussion about Christians and Politics etc.
I just found it so i havnt been able to look through everything. but the articles section seems pretty awesome with some relevant discussion about Christians and Politics etc.
American Vision
Check it out and have fun! Love you guys!
N.
Ive been browsing the website for the past week and have found a few issues with the theology of the proponents.
1.) They are Preterists meaning the Second coming of Christ was fulfilled at 70AD
2.) They dont necessarily speak out of humility and love.
Although, there are these two issues that i found, i have been reading their articles still and find them
very insightful into the discussion of developing a christian world view!
With that said, I advise caution. It is still the best resource i have found that is discussing politics and
Christianity but the guys running the show have different eschatology views than we do.
Neil
Tuesday, March 3, 2009
Thursday, February 26, 2009
Wednesday, February 25, 2009
Must Walk as Jesus Walked
Men,
I have been asking more and more lately what it truly means to walk as jesus walked. It is not easy to discern in our global Geo-political world how Jesus might have lived. God is slowly revealing more and more to me about the truth about Jesus. I found this article titled Mercy Triumphs over Judgement.
This article supports some of the questions that have been entering my mind about what it truly means to follow Jesus and brings some relevant and necessary application to our lives.
One of my favorite quotes from the article is this:
"Day after day, a loving Creator looks down on a broken planet longing for the day when the object of His affection will walk hand in hand with Him into indescribable beauty in the halls of eternity. In the meantime, the destruction continues, not because God is angry with man, but rather because men choose to kill, steal and destroy. This is the fruit of those who have chosen the wrong lover (satan)."
Another is this:
"Prayer is the bridge between what should be and what will be. The diligent prayer of a righteous people will ultimately determine the destiny of our children."
Check it out, It is a bit long but only about 5-10 minutes to get through.
Love you guys,
N
I have been asking more and more lately what it truly means to walk as jesus walked. It is not easy to discern in our global Geo-political world how Jesus might have lived. God is slowly revealing more and more to me about the truth about Jesus. I found this article titled Mercy Triumphs over Judgement.
This article supports some of the questions that have been entering my mind about what it truly means to follow Jesus and brings some relevant and necessary application to our lives.
One of my favorite quotes from the article is this:
"Day after day, a loving Creator looks down on a broken planet longing for the day when the object of His affection will walk hand in hand with Him into indescribable beauty in the halls of eternity. In the meantime, the destruction continues, not because God is angry with man, but rather because men choose to kill, steal and destroy. This is the fruit of those who have chosen the wrong lover (satan)."
Another is this:
"Prayer is the bridge between what should be and what will be. The diligent prayer of a righteous people will ultimately determine the destiny of our children."
Check it out, It is a bit long but only about 5-10 minutes to get through.
Love you guys,
N
Monday, February 23, 2009
Let Thy Will Be Done
Hey again Gents,
It's Kyle writing from the rainy pacific northwest. So remember when you guys all prayed for me when I heard God call me to leave my last job and move on up to Seattle? Well, the time has come again for a huge prayer request. About a year and a half since then, and now with a wife and a baby on the way, He has called our family to step out of comfort and "security". Just last night, after praying long and hard to get my heart in the same place as God's, I made the decision to move us back down to the Santa Barbara area.
I am going to tell my boss today. I'm thinking I will be up here with a job for another month or so, but I'm not really sure. The nature of this move is pretty scary because we don't have any job/housing plans, and we have a baby due in September. But I feel an awesome peace in making this decision. It seems nuts that God would call us to this, with things so up in the air, but it really is exciting!
If anything else, I just wanted to share this with you guys as a praise to God's faithfulness and love. Even though nothing has happened yet, I know He'll provide in the most radical and unexpected ways. The faith series has really pushed Brittney and I to trust God with all of our lives. They're not even our own, and we've realized we have no right to guard them from the God who gave them to us in the first place. He's so good, and we really believe this is His will for us right now. We could definately use your guys' prayer during this big transition. Mostly for strength to follow him joyously throughout the journey and not get bitter and complainy like the Israelites in the desert. We want to really glorify him and be thankful for what we DO have. Other than that, prayer for protection from Satan and any of his attacks. Jesus is the answer and his word is the sword - pray for us to wield it well like fearless warriors.
Thanks guys. I miss seeing you all, but by God's grace, we will hopefully see you all soon. Love you guys,
Kyle
It's Kyle writing from the rainy pacific northwest. So remember when you guys all prayed for me when I heard God call me to leave my last job and move on up to Seattle? Well, the time has come again for a huge prayer request. About a year and a half since then, and now with a wife and a baby on the way, He has called our family to step out of comfort and "security". Just last night, after praying long and hard to get my heart in the same place as God's, I made the decision to move us back down to the Santa Barbara area.
I am going to tell my boss today. I'm thinking I will be up here with a job for another month or so, but I'm not really sure. The nature of this move is pretty scary because we don't have any job/housing plans, and we have a baby due in September. But I feel an awesome peace in making this decision. It seems nuts that God would call us to this, with things so up in the air, but it really is exciting!
If anything else, I just wanted to share this with you guys as a praise to God's faithfulness and love. Even though nothing has happened yet, I know He'll provide in the most radical and unexpected ways. The faith series has really pushed Brittney and I to trust God with all of our lives. They're not even our own, and we've realized we have no right to guard them from the God who gave them to us in the first place. He's so good, and we really believe this is His will for us right now. We could definately use your guys' prayer during this big transition. Mostly for strength to follow him joyously throughout the journey and not get bitter and complainy like the Israelites in the desert. We want to really glorify him and be thankful for what we DO have. Other than that, prayer for protection from Satan and any of his attacks. Jesus is the answer and his word is the sword - pray for us to wield it well like fearless warriors.
Thanks guys. I miss seeing you all, but by God's grace, we will hopefully see you all soon. Love you guys,
Kyle
Tuesday, February 3, 2009
Apologetics Conference Calvary Chapel, SB 2/7/09
Hey guys I already invited my homegroup and now I'm extending this invitation to you all to tell you about an Apologetics Conference happening at Calvary Chapel on Saturday, February 7th at 9:00AM!
Apologetics, as most of you know, means "defense of the faith", and it is a part of what we as Christians are called to be able to do, Jude 3, 1 Peter 2:15, Colossians 4:5-6, Titus 1:9, 2 Timothy4:2.
The Conference goes on till about 3:00 I think, but I'm only going for one lecture at 9:00. Greg Koukl (www.str.org) will be speaking on the topic of "Has God Spoken". This guy is one of my favorite apologists working today. He has a weekly radio show in which he responds to listener questions in a scholarly, yet very understandable, way. I can guarantee that you'll be equipped if you come. The Lord wants us to expand in the knowledge of Him and His will, Colossians 1:9, and these kinds of conferences are one of many ways to do that.
So if you want to come, meet us there OR(!) meet us at a nearby coffee shop (message me and I'll let you know where, 'cause I don't know yet) at 8 am, and we'll have coffee and fellowship for an hour before the event.
I REALLY encourage you all to make it. I know it's super last-minute, but c'mon...who's really got plans on a Saturday morning before 10 aM?!
Hope to hear from you!
Jason
PS. Don't forget to hit me up about the coffee!!!!!!!
Apologetics, as most of you know, means "defense of the faith", and it is a part of what we as Christians are called to be able to do, Jude 3, 1 Peter 2:15, Colossians 4:5-6, Titus 1:9, 2 Timothy4:2.
The Conference goes on till about 3:00 I think, but I'm only going for one lecture at 9:00. Greg Koukl (www.str.org) will be speaking on the topic of "Has God Spoken". This guy is one of my favorite apologists working today. He has a weekly radio show in which he responds to listener questions in a scholarly, yet very understandable, way. I can guarantee that you'll be equipped if you come. The Lord wants us to expand in the knowledge of Him and His will, Colossians 1:9, and these kinds of conferences are one of many ways to do that.
So if you want to come, meet us there OR(!) meet us at a nearby coffee shop (message me and I'll let you know where, 'cause I don't know yet) at 8 am, and we'll have coffee and fellowship for an hour before the event.
I REALLY encourage you all to make it. I know it's super last-minute, but c'mon...who's really got plans on a Saturday morning before 10 aM?!
Hope to hear from you!
Jason
PS. Don't forget to hit me up about the coffee!!!!!!!
Monday, February 2, 2009
Water into Wine.
Jesus' first miracle, and four thousand years later he does them among us still. Have you ever seen one? Sean will be teaching tonite and Devon and Pat will be guiding us into the throne room of Grace. Come at 6:40 to pray or 7:00 to be fed and be blessed and bless others with your presence. Listenup! Bring a friend. See you soon!!!
Tuesday, January 20, 2009
Confrontation
As leaders we will all face confrontation. In the book of Corinthians, Paul was forced to confront several problems. If I were in his shoes, I would have come packing mad bombs accompanied by a fresh verbal assault of what they need to do. But when we stray off course and others speak into our lives, we need to find something to affirm in the person we are trying to correct--in love.
The 101% principle is finding the 1% you can affirm and giving it 100% attention. Paul practiced this and demonstrated that affirmation comes before confrontation. Good leaders look for the good in people and affirm it. Only then do they address the problem.
-tarik
Monday, January 19, 2009
'08 was great but '09 will be...
Men,
What does your year look like so far? Have you decided to follow Jesus? Don't be a wuss and punk out. Come tonight but please leave your masks at the door. Or bring them in and we can burn them in the fireplace as a sin offering to the Lord.
tarik
Monday, January 12, 2009
Dominic Balli Video
Hey Guys,
We're meeting at Reality tonight at 7 for a night of fun shooting Dom's video. Represent.
tarik
Thursday, January 8, 2009
It's Been Way Too Long
Howdy Gentlemen,
This is Kyle Crooks reporting in from the dark and gloomy corner of the US known as Seattle. I can't believe it's been this long since last checking in with you guys, but I definitely have some big news and things happening.
Around Christmas time, Brittney and I had been in prayer about our future as a family and what Jesus had for us. Through all of it, he brought both of our hearts to hear his call of moving back to California! I am in the process of looking for jobs. It's funny. I remember last year telling all of you guys about leaving my job and you were all for it. hahaha. After seeing me through prayer and searching you all showed yourselves to have true hearts of Jesus and being the rad brothers that you are. If you guys would pray for our family in this time, I'd really appreciate it. We are looking to move down as soon as possible, but there are a few bigger factors that play into this...
...like the fact that Brittney is pregnant!!! We found out on Christmas morning. Oh my gosh, it is so crazy! But we are so stoked to have such a huge blessing! If you guys could be in prayer for the health of Brittney and the baby, that would be HUGE! She is throwing up everyday and feeling really bad. But it's kind of funny too, especially because each time after she does, she says, "Thanks a lot Eve. I'm so happy I have this horrible nausea because of the fall." Hahaha. I can't do anything but laugh.
Anyways, I love you guys a ton, and really miss meeting up every week. I hope there's still a spot on the floor that I can camp out on every monday night. Let me know how you're all doing and we will definately have to be in touch. Later on men.
Peace & Love,
Kyle
This is Kyle Crooks reporting in from the dark and gloomy corner of the US known as Seattle. I can't believe it's been this long since last checking in with you guys, but I definitely have some big news and things happening.
Around Christmas time, Brittney and I had been in prayer about our future as a family and what Jesus had for us. Through all of it, he brought both of our hearts to hear his call of moving back to California! I am in the process of looking for jobs. It's funny. I remember last year telling all of you guys about leaving my job and you were all for it. hahaha. After seeing me through prayer and searching you all showed yourselves to have true hearts of Jesus and being the rad brothers that you are. If you guys would pray for our family in this time, I'd really appreciate it. We are looking to move down as soon as possible, but there are a few bigger factors that play into this...
...like the fact that Brittney is pregnant!!! We found out on Christmas morning. Oh my gosh, it is so crazy! But we are so stoked to have such a huge blessing! If you guys could be in prayer for the health of Brittney and the baby, that would be HUGE! She is throwing up everyday and feeling really bad. But it's kind of funny too, especially because each time after she does, she says, "Thanks a lot Eve. I'm so happy I have this horrible nausea because of the fall." Hahaha. I can't do anything but laugh.
Anyways, I love you guys a ton, and really miss meeting up every week. I hope there's still a spot on the floor that I can camp out on every monday night. Let me know how you're all doing and we will definately have to be in touch. Later on men.
Peace & Love,
Kyle
Monday, January 5, 2009
Back at it!!
Guys, I hope that you all had a sweet vacation. I know we are stoked about getting back together. Tonite at Tarik's at 7:00 we will be meeting as usual and if you want to come around 6:40 to pray, do it! This is a good time to reach out to any friend who has never come or someone who has and encourage them to enter into some Godly fellowship. Can't wait to see you all. TG
Monday, December 29, 2008
Worship at John Michael's Tonite
Guys, there will be no official Listenup tonite. However, for those who are around, John Michael is hosting a worship night. His address is: 345 Kellogg Way #21, Goleta, CA 93117 It is behind the Hampton Inn. It will be at seven o'clock. Bring your heart and vocal chords to sing to the Lord!
Wednesday, December 17, 2008
Christmas Trivia
Hey Guys,
A couple of weeks ago we had a moment of Christmas trivia and one of the questions was: "What's a yule tide log?" We got as far as identifying that a yule is a type of tree. According to Wikipedia, a Yule is "a large log which is burned in the hearth as a part of traditional Yule or Christmas celebrations in some cultures." (Wikipedia)
Historically, the Yule log has frequently been associated with German pagan origins. Wikipedia continues, "Robert Chambers in his 1832 Book of Days notes that Two popular observances belonging to Christmas are more especially derived from the worship of our pagan ancestors—the hanging up of the mistletoe and the burning of the Yule log. James George Frazer in The Golden Bough (p. 736) holds that "the ancient fire-festival of the winter solstice appears to survive" in the Yule log custom."
So what's the deal with burning the log?
Tammuz, the son of Nimrod and his queen, Semiramis, was identified with the Babylonian Sun God and worshipped following the winter solstice, on about December 22-23. Tammuz was thought to have died during the winter solstice, and was memorialized by burning a log in the fireplace. (The Chaldean word for "infant" is yule. This is the origin of the yule log.) His rebirth was celebrated by replacing the log with a trimmed tree the next morning.
For more cool origins of Christmas info. check out Koinonia House
Do your homework. Don't take my word for it. Be like a Berean!!
tarik
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
Monday, December 15, 2008
Thursday, December 11, 2008
What do you think about Christmas?
Below are 2 links.
One of them is an article from the Daily Mail in the UK. Can you imagine what would happen if this was published in an American newspaper? Granted, this man is a known "hate-preacher" but what do other "normal" people think about Christmas? The other link is to blogs about Jesus birth. You may find some of them interesting...remember it's always important to understand why people believe what they believe. Why do you believe?
Psalm 1:3 He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1093414/Christmas-pathway-hell-Muslim-lawyers-extraordinary-rant-evil-celebration.html?ITO=1490
http://wordpress.com/tag/jesus-birth/
Merry Christmas. Read all of Luke Chapter 2.
tarik
Wednesday, December 3, 2008
Keeping your "Ship" on course...
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to follow up on Monday’s discussion after everyone shared whether or not their “Ship”, so to speak, was on course. Navigating the direction of a ship is controlled by the rudder which is connected to the Mariner’s wheel. We can associate each spoke of the Mariner’s wheel with our Christian walk:
Word – are you reading and studying your Bible?
Prayer – I John 5:14-15
Worship – it’s what we’re gonna do in heaven so you better practice now!
Witnessing – Who puts a lamp under a basket? Let your light shine before other men.
Giving – For God so loved the world He gave His only Son…
Fellowship –Heb 10:24-25; besides, even the Lone Ranger had Tonto.
So, one of the questions was: How do we get our ship back on course when our hearts have been hardened? How do we make a wrong, right again whether we are on the giving or receiving end of the matter?
Before everyone showed up that night, John Michael shared with me how he noticed that God’s voice during Israel’s disobedience became clearer and louder through His prophets Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah and all of the Minor Prophets. The message: repent. This was also how John the Baptist and Jesus began their ministry and is clearly a recurring message throughout the Bible.
So what does repentance look like in real life? I thought about you married men and your wives. I pictured each one of you “repenting” to them. I thought of the single men and how we are “married” to the Lord and pictured what would be spoken. Repentance looks like this:
I’m sorry. I love you. Forgive me.
Whatever you shared Monday night, bring it to the Lord and repent. Remember David in Psalm 51? He stated that he sinned against God and God alone regarding his sin with Bathsheba. How could this be given that he also committed murder? We are all God’s creation and He has invested resources in each and every one of us. How we use those resources He gave us is up to us. Go to your wife and repent. Go to your brother and your co-worker and your boss and repent. For the pain is but for a moment, the weeping may last for a night, but joy comes in the morning!
Below are some of the Scripture I read this morning after thinking about what John Michael shared with me:
Jer 8:6 I hearkened and heard, [but] they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? Everyone turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle
Jer 25:5 They said, 'Repent now everyone of his evil way and his evil doings, and dwell in the land that the LORD has given to you and your fathers forever and ever.
Eze 14:6 "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "Repent, turn away from your idols, and turn your faces away from all your abominations.
Eze 18:30 "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways," says the Lord GOD. "Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin
Hosea 11:5 "He shall not return to the land of Egypt; But the Assyrian shall be his king, because they refused to repent.
Hosea 11:7 My people are bent on backsliding from Me. Though they call to the Most High, None at all exalt [Him].
Joel 2:12-14 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye [even] to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he [is] gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. Who knoweth [if] he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; [even] a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?
Mat 3:1-2 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, and saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Finally, we have arrived at the application station. This ties into our message last week at church—the danger of apostacy.
Drifting away from God, fellowship, accountability leads to doubt. Doubt turns into unbelief. Unbelief results in a hardened heart. A hardened heart doesn’t respond to God’s word and when that is absent from our lives we are in danger of shipwreck!!
So, are you at your best in regards to following Christ? Are you slipping? Are you drifting? If you are, repent. If you aren’t, then you certainly know someone who is…pray for their hardened heart to be made a heart of flesh.
tarik
Wednesday, November 26, 2008
Abraham Lincoln Thanksgiving Speech
By the President of the United States of America.
A Proclamation.
The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God.
In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People.
I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.
By the President: Abraham Lincoln
Gorge Washington Thanksgiving Speech
Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to "recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"
Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.
Tuesday, November 11, 2008
Work the Mariner's Wheel
Men,
Last night we assessed where we’re at in the following areas in our life and whether or not we’re on the right course. If you didn’t share last night then you’ve got a week to do the following so you can bless us next Monday!
Word – are you reading and studying your Bible?
Prayer – I John 5:14-15
Worship – it’s what we’re gonna do in heaven so you better practice now!
Witnessing – Who puts a lamp under a basket? Let your light shine before other men.
Giving – For God so loved the world He gave His only Son…
Fellowship – even the Lone Ranger had Tonto.
Each one of these is a spoke on the Mariner’s Wheel. Time is short! So get your ship on course.
Be blessed,
tarik
Tuesday, November 4, 2008
Good times, great resources...
Hey Guys,
No doubt last night was sweet! I was so blessed by the Word (thanks Justin)the subsequent discussion that happened afterwards (Naus-T,et al...)and of course the worship (thx Devin!) It's so cool to learn from each one of you...(yes, even you Charles :))
Our best resource is getting into and studying the Bible (not just reading it)as well as prayer. We can also supplement these with additional sources...below are 2 that have helped me understand politics from a biblical perspective and apologetics which we can associate with extending grace towards others whenever we find ourselves in that situation.
Our very own, Chris Lazo is the brain behind apologetics blog:
http://isaiah118.blogspot.com
and David Barton is an expert in historical and constitutional issues:
http://www.wallbuilders.com
The Wall Builders resource is incredible--get informed about the how and why the foundations of this country were established. It reminds me of Nehemiah and how he lead his people in rebuilding the entire wall of Jerusalem in just 52 days!!(Neh 6:15)
I've placed both of the active links on our 'Favorite Blogs' and 'Recommended Links' to the left.
Be blessed.
tarik
Monday, November 3, 2008
Sunday, October 26, 2008
MENS GROUP @ 529 W PUEBLO #4 THIS MONDAY @ 6:45PM.... SPECIAL MEN AND WOMEN PRE-ELECTION SPECIAL.... WHY?? BECAUSE VOTING MATTERS SO LETS TALK...
We are faced with daily decisions.... Some of the outcomes of our choices have consequences.... We need to carefully chose, not just whimsically decide on a name or team color. This November 4th, you should be ready. Lets prepare together...I could say "vote or die," like Ditty said, but thats not really true and I try not to repeat him. I could say "rock the vote," but that makes voting sound like a baby that needs to be put to sleep. Maybe "get out the vote" is a good slogan, except, what does that even mean? So without any cool slogan let me put it to you like this; We are blessed to get an opportunity to vote, therefore lets talk about the issues and know how to approach our choices. Lets talk about options, people, issues, and help eachother vote responsibly. Many of us follow politics, some don't, but we all need to vote for the best choice for the best reasons and sometimes thats hard to decipher in this world of info. So this Monday night we will talk, and pray together. All are welcome, bring snacks if you want and bring a parent or friend. PS if you have time, read over your voter sample ballots ahead of time.
Friday, October 24, 2008
Listenupmen Bowling and Galaga High Score Setting Bash
Hello Men,
I am posting the results of the first ever Listen Up Men Bowling and Galaga High Score Setting Bash. When Tarik texted that he was sick a few of the guys who needed the fellowship and could not last another week, LOL!!!, got together on monday night for some bowling fun. Here are the results:
If you are wondering why Devin's score is so low it is because he is a terrible player!!! Not really, he had actully cut his fingers on his right hand and therefore had to bowl left handed.
So why the weird galaga part in the title. Well if you are unfamiliar with this game click ont the title and it will take you to a page explaining it. We got to the bowling ally early and had to waite about 2 hours before we could bowl. So we decided to play this ancient arcade game called Galaga. As we were playing it we decided it would be a great accomplishment for us to beat the high score. So about 45 minutes and 2 dollars later we set a new high score on the Machine at 362,680 pts. shattering the old record by over 100,000 points.
In any case we missed ya'll last week and look forward to hanging out on Monday. Have a good weekend!
-N
I am posting the results of the first ever Listen Up Men Bowling and Galaga High Score Setting Bash. When Tarik texted that he was sick a few of the guys who needed the fellowship and could not last another week, LOL!!!, got together on monday night for some bowling fun. Here are the results:
If you are wondering why Devin's score is so low it is because he is a terrible player!!! Not really, he had actully cut his fingers on his right hand and therefore had to bowl left handed.
So why the weird galaga part in the title. Well if you are unfamiliar with this game click ont the title and it will take you to a page explaining it. We got to the bowling ally early and had to waite about 2 hours before we could bowl. So we decided to play this ancient arcade game called Galaga. As we were playing it we decided it would be a great accomplishment for us to beat the high score. So about 45 minutes and 2 dollars later we set a new high score on the Machine at 362,680 pts. shattering the old record by over 100,000 points.
In any case we missed ya'll last week and look forward to hanging out on Monday. Have a good weekend!
-N
Thursday, October 23, 2008
Sunday, October 19, 2008
Thank Men for all Your Prayers and Support!!!
Free At Last! Free At Last!!! Hello Men. I got out Saturday night at 12:01 in the morning. Don came and picked me up. I want to take a moment and thank you from the Bottom my Heart. I could not of done this without your Prayers and support. From the day I arrived to the day I left I Knew the Lord was there to protect me. Not once did I feel threatened or uncomfortable, Just inconvenienced due to my dismay. I want to Personally thank the Men that coordinated and drove me. Jeff,Tarik,Mike,Matt,Rick,Luke,Erick,Rich,Don and Bart. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedules to drive me back and forth. I don't know how to ever repay you. For the rides it was a wonderful time of fellowship,creating new friendships and spending time together in prayer. I look forward to Mondays Men's Group and the Lord continually working threw my life. God Bless You all.
Frank
Frank
Friday, October 17, 2008
Monday, October 13, 2008
I think this is one of the 10 plagues...
So here's my fun staff infection! Not as bad as it looks...just like a big zit! Have a great men's time tonight if I don't see you all. Peace and Love-
Devin
Sunday, October 5, 2008
2008 Mens Camping Trip
Wow, we had fun. The Camping trip was awesome! Cowboy coffee, woofle ball, waterfalls, fruit launcher, torn clothing, tri tip, beans, hamburgers, hiking, tarp hanging, tree climbing, frisbee, football, rain, shine, guitar, and much more. Thanks to everyone who brought stuff and helped plan it. Thanks to all that just came and shared in the fun. I know we ALL were blessed with some sweet fellowship and we all grew closer to eachother. Can't wait to do it again.
Hockey Night
Listenupmen went to the first Los Angeles Kings Hockey game this year. It was fun, there were many fights, not many fans, lots of dangerous food, and as always great fellowship!!!
Wednesday, October 1, 2008
Listenup Camping Trip this weekend!!!
Gentlemen, as many of you know we will be camping this weekend around Ojai and coming back for the Avocado festival service... This is gonna be buckets of fun and fellowship.. Any and All are welcome.. Have a buddy you want to bring, do it. Call me Taylor at 805-455-4122 or Neil at 925-980-2475 if you have any questions. If you can't make it the whole time that too is fine. Grace us with your presence however you can.. If you don't make it..... Bummer for you. Remember, don't be a mooch and bring some food or somthin' Hope to see you and yours there!!!! TG
Driving Frank Flores
Men:
Get some treasure in heaven and don't be broke when you get there. Drive Frank Flores to and from work and bear one another's burdens.
Here's the details:
Frank needs your help driving him to and from work for the next 19 days. It's a 51 mile trip each way from Camarillo to Goleta.
Frank has a Ford Escort that's available for use depending on where it's left. Currently, it's in Goleta. Frank is also covering any expenses associated with the drive if you choose to use your own vehicle.
Log on to the schedule to view available shifts and make your selection. Make sure to fill in your contact info into the schedule.
If you have any questions please contact Jeff Cox (797-0928) or Tarik Elansary (452-1083).
--1 Thess 1:3
...constantly bearing in mind your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father,...
Monday, September 29, 2008
Bros
It was so good to see you guys on Saturday night. I believe that is just a foreshadowing of what it is going to be like when we all hit Heaven. God bless keith
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
Reasoning daily in the Scriptures (cont'd...)
Men:
Here's the email response from my doctor friend Robin in Colorado. You may want to re-read my original post again and you will note that she does not offer any rebuttal to my questions regarding the reconciliation of evolutionary thinking and the laws of thermodynamics. Instead, she throws a whole lot of junk about the Bible Jesus and the disciples that's completely unsubstantiated. My reply follows.
How would you respond?
But before you read on, Word up. Get wisdom and understanding. Buy the Truth. Here's what King Solomon said:
Incline your ear and hear the words of the wise,And apply your heart to my knowledge;
For it is a pleasant thing if you keep them within you; let them all be fixed upon your lips, so that your trust may be in the Lord; I have instructed you today, even you. Have I not written to you excellent things of counsels and knowledge, that I may make you know the certainty of the words of truth, that you may answer words of truth to those who send to you?--Proverbs 22:17-21
Love u guys,
tarik
Hi Tarik-
Most doctors do believe in evolution. You stated that one of us is wrong. Why is that? Could it be that neither of us is right or wrong? Does it really matter? I'm entitled to my views as you are yours. We have both formed our view points based on our unique life experiences.
I prefer not to judge. Evolution and the belief in G-d are not exclusionary. I know the church will tell you so as a scare tactic, but you can believe in BOTH G-d AND evolution and still be a spiritual and loving soul.
The only thing I care about is leaving this earth a better place. I believe in love. I don't believe in judging people. Differences in opinion are what make this earth an interesting and better place to live. I believe that if two people are inlove, it doesn't matter what sex they are, or what the color of their skin is.
I would rather base my opinion on what they do in their lifetime for others and to benefit humanity as a whole than who they choose to love and who they chose to worship if they choose to worship at all. I would rather not spend my time passing judgement on people. I would rather accept everyone for who they are- differences are beautiful and they make the world a unique place. I believe a woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body, just as you have the right to do what you want with your own body.
You speak of the bible, but there are many sources people turn to, the koran, the old testament, the new testament, scientific journals etc, etc. The interesting thing about the bible is that it was written hundreds and hundreds of years after Jesus died by people just like you and me. The men who wrote the bible had never met Jesus nor had they had even met anyone even remotely related to Jesus. The third most popular religion in the world is atheism- or not even believing in G-d.
None of us know who is right or wrong, and maybe all of us are wrong in what our "beliefs" are. But does that really matter anyways? To me, it matters what we do each and every day to make the world a better place to live in. And for me that is accepting everyone and trying to help those less fortunate than me. Perhaps your views are different, and I accept them b/c I don't know any better than you, and you don't know any better than me. But I am not going to force my perpective on you, as I would hope you would not force your perspective on me. This is not Nazi germany where differences are persecuted.
Religion is supposed to be INCLUSIVE rather than EXCLUSIVE, and when it becomes about being who is right and who is wrong than it defeats the entire purpose of religion, because judgement is the basis of righteouseness and hatred, and that is what starts hatred and killings. Every war we have had has been based on religion and supposed "differences".
Sorry for being so long winded, but no one really knows, and our time is much better spent on helping people than trying to figure out who is "right" or who is "wrong", b/c there is a good possiblity we are all wrong. Actions are much more important than words anyways.
Much love-
Robin
“You stated that one of us is wrong. Why is that? Could it be that neither of us is right or wrong? Does it really matter?”
Robin:
If you believe in relativism then both of us can be right. However, I believe in absolute truth. You asked whether it really matters; I say yes it does, but apparently it doesn’t really matter to you.
You did not offer any rebuttal to my points about the laws of thermodynamics which contradict evolution. I was more interested in learning why you believe what you believe.
I’d be happy to pick up our discussion anytime you like. Jesus loves you and so do I.
tarik
Tuesday, September 23, 2008
2nd ANNUAL LISTEN UP! MENS RETREAT
Gentlemen and Gentlemen,
It is the final stretch before we leave for the second annual Listen Up Men's Camping Trip. The dates are Friday Oct. 3- Sunday Oct.5. We are going to be going to Wheeler Gorge in the Ojai valley. To check it out go to http://www.rockymountainrec.com/camp/padres-wheeler-gorge.htm. I hope to see you all there.
Arrival and departure details will be provided next Monday.
THIS COULD BE YOU SLAMMING TAYLOR IF YOU COME!!!
N.
Saturday, September 20, 2008
Men's Group Hockey Night - LA Kings vs Phoenix Coyotes
MEN:
We will not be meeting this Monday Night, September 22nd...instead, we will be attending the LA Kings vs Phoenix Coyotes hockey game at The Staples Center (in Jesus name, of course) to find out how men fight on skates while chasing a puck traveling in excess of 100mph at times.
We have 6 extra tickets. First ones to contact Taylor (805-455-4122) get to go. We will leave SB at 4pm and drive down to the Staples Center. The game starts at 7:30. Looking forward to hanging with you guys. Much love.
tarik
Thursday, September 18, 2008
Check Yourself
Gentlemen,
I know that Listen Up groups have spread far and wide, and that many of you might not know me. I'm just a small part of what Jesus has done with the Coastlands of Southern California, but I wanted to share this article with you all.
1 John 2:6...you guys know what that is right? Isn't it our group verse? "Those who say they live in God should live their lives as Christ did.-(NLT)" Below is an article from an Atheist writer in the UK calling this truth out, and the sad fact that many of our "brothers and sisters", including ourselves, are not truly living out the faith we claim to have in Jesus.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4761159.ece
Honestly, reading this pissed me off. It made me angry and I wanted to write back telling this guy he didn't have any idea what Christianity is about. But after testing some of what he said in prayer, the Holy Spirit showed me that some of what he said rings true in my heart. Conviction and growth can come from some of the most unlikely places, but that's our God. You never know what He's going to do. So instead of get pissed and "sin in my anger", I'm posting this because I love you all, whether I know you or not. If you follow Jesus, you're my brother. Let's check our hearts men and make sure we aren't giving anyone the opportunity to say our faith isn't expressed in the lives we lead. There's a battle going on. Are we living like it?
- Kyle
I know that Listen Up groups have spread far and wide, and that many of you might not know me. I'm just a small part of what Jesus has done with the Coastlands of Southern California, but I wanted to share this article with you all.
1 John 2:6...you guys know what that is right? Isn't it our group verse? "Those who say they live in God should live their lives as Christ did.-(NLT)" Below is an article from an Atheist writer in the UK calling this truth out, and the sad fact that many of our "brothers and sisters", including ourselves, are not truly living out the faith we claim to have in Jesus.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4761159.ece
Honestly, reading this pissed me off. It made me angry and I wanted to write back telling this guy he didn't have any idea what Christianity is about. But after testing some of what he said in prayer, the Holy Spirit showed me that some of what he said rings true in my heart. Conviction and growth can come from some of the most unlikely places, but that's our God. You never know what He's going to do. So instead of get pissed and "sin in my anger", I'm posting this because I love you all, whether I know you or not. If you follow Jesus, you're my brother. Let's check our hearts men and make sure we aren't giving anyone the opportunity to say our faith isn't expressed in the lives we lead. There's a battle going on. Are we living like it?
- Kyle
Monday, September 15, 2008
Moral Relativism....
This is an AWESOME (yet extremely boring on a visual level) video on Moral Relativism by an apologist named Greg Koukl. It's an hour-long video, but it's SO worth watching in this "morally-relative" age. Watch it! I know you'll be blessed by it. Forget about the new episode of 90210 and feed your brain instead! If you haven't heard the term before I promise you that you will soon, like probably tomorrow. Anyway, without further ado...let's see if this works...
Photo Shoot with Dominic Balli
Hey Guys,
The Santa Barbara Independent is doing a photo shoot for Dom at:
Soho 1221 State St
TODAY between 4:45 and 5:30 today and has invited anyone who can make it to come and get "discovered" as America's next Top Model. Nah, just kidding! But show up if u can cause the more people the better.
See you tonight!
http://www.independent.com/news/2008/aug/21/dominic-balli/
Peace.
tarik
Tuesday, September 9, 2008
MENS RETREAT OCTOBER 3rd-5th
Possible Men's Retreat Location scheduled for weekend of October 3-5th. Give me a shout out what you think.
http://www.rockymountainrec.com/camp/padres-wheeler-gorge.htm
or
http://www.rockymountainrec.com/camp/padres-holiday.htm
Neil
Sunday, September 7, 2008
Follow His Lead
Guys, scroll down and read Tarik's post before you read this. That being said, I had a nice political talk with someone I work with. To make a long story short, the whole conversation came down to two things we talk about AALLLL the time at mens group... Perception and Perspective. She said that she doesn't view the world as I do. She's not living in expectation of the "rapture". She thinks Christians are just like another group of people and she is best served by letting everyone do their thing and just being nothing. She says she's a Christian, wears a cross, and a peace sign around her neck. She is voting for Obama because she thinks McCain will go to war and Obama won't. (Even though only one candidate really knows the horror of war and said he hates it... But she doesn't believe him. ((Willingly ignorant)). Her perspective is that war CAN be avoided and PEACE is possible. She does not think we should protect Israel and does think that I have a skewed view of Islam when I say its NOT a peaceful religion................ Well............
The reason I write all this is because I really look forward to our next conversation. I have been faced with the fact that heres an acquaintance who is wrong in her world view. Maybe she was put into my life to show her that there is only One way. I will only be able to tell her. That I believe is my duty. The Good Lord will do the rest. My heart broke when I heard her say some of the things she told me. She like many, think Christians are crazy.. Maybe thats because we have avoided the one on one, mono y mono conversations with those whom we clearly see have lost their way. TG
The reason I write all this is because I really look forward to our next conversation. I have been faced with the fact that heres an acquaintance who is wrong in her world view. Maybe she was put into my life to show her that there is only One way. I will only be able to tell her. That I believe is my duty. The Good Lord will do the rest. My heart broke when I heard her say some of the things she told me. She like many, think Christians are crazy.. Maybe thats because we have avoided the one on one, mono y mono conversations with those whom we clearly see have lost their way. TG
Thursday, September 4, 2008
Reasoning daily in the Scriptures...
Men,
It's been too long since I've made a post but this one will make up for it (at least in length!) Before you read this know that you will also be faced with the same situation soon...there is no way out of it other than to communicate your belief in a way that will encourage others to reconsider their position. Scatter the seed and let the Lord do the watering and provide the growth. Jesus said, "The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves."--Luke 10:2
So here's the background: I've recently reconnected with many old high school friends on Facebook. One of them in particular is a doctor in Colorado who's name is Robin. She made a comment regarding Sarah Palin...here it is:
"Robin just learned that sarah palin believes in teaching creationism in public schools- i feel like we are going backwards in time instead of forwards..."
My response (Tarik): So where do you think we came from? Just curious...
Her reply (Robin): Hi Tarik-
I'm a doctor, and like all doctors and scientists, we believe in studies and facts. Therefore, I believe firmly and without a doubt in evolution, based on the 100's of years of scientific research, based on 100's of books I have read, as well as the dissection of human bodies and animals bodies. (both dead of course- I don't value certain lives over others) I'm sure you knew the answer to this before you asked, as most people in the world believe in evolution, so just curious why did you ask?
My reply (Tarik):
Hi Robin!
Thanks for your email. To answer your question, I was asking because I was genuinely curious to know exactly what you believe. I believe there are many things we could agree upon and likewise many things we would disagree. With that said, I assume we are both seeking truth.
I’m sure that you would agree with me there are many different world views (i.e. Biblical, evolutionary, etc…) to subscribe to in the world today. I did not know you are a doctor but I believe it would be an inaccurate statement to say, “…all doctors and scientists…and most people in the world believe in evolution.” Certainly, there are many doctors and scientists who believe that we are created by God. I’m not in the medical community but I know of many who share this belief—I’m sure you also know of some as well.
But even if the entire medical and scientific community did believe in evolution, it still doesn’t make it true or “fact” as many textbooks and journals state. At one point in history, the general consensus of many scientists believed the Earth was flat—and they were wrong. Scientific theory originates from or is supported by observations in the natural world, or by experimental evidence. It is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable. To that end, evolution has never been “observed”, “tested” and is certainly not “fact.”
You stated, “I believe firmly and without a doubt in evolution…” Really?! Without a doubt?! As a doctor, you must have studied the laws of thermodynamics. Law #1: Matter cannot be created or destroyed. How does this fit with an evolutionary world view? Law #2: Law of entropy (i.e. order to disorder or chaos) Many scientists believe the universe is coming undone or “winding down.” The theory of evolution requires just as much faith (in my opinion, even more) than to believe that creation speaks of a Creator. These 2 points alone warrant “doubt” into the minds of an evolutionary thinker.
Unfortunately, one of us is wrong. You mentioned that you’ve read “100’s of books and rely upon 100’s of years of scientific research.” I’ve also read many books but rely on one in particular, namely the Bible which dates back approximately 6,000 years ago. I have discovered numerous historical and scientific claims the Bible makes which are supported by archeological finds, actual places that are still in existence today, even governmental records from the neighboring kingdoms that surrounded Jerusalem throughout history that support Biblical accounts.
I don’t want to take up anymore of your time as I know how busy life can be. But I am interested in understanding the basis for your conclusions. I believe that our destiny is ultimately shaped by two things: 1. How we view life - (i.e. Where did we come from? Where are we going when we die? What’s my purpose in life?); and, 2. How we respond to it – (i.e. Where do you turn to in times of trouble? Why do good things happen to bad people? Why is there suffering in the world?) I don’t know the answers to life’s problems but I sure do know the One who does. And that’s who & what I rely upon.
Much love,
tarik
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